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Ontario court orders woman to remove face-covering veil to testify

TORONTO — A woman must remove her face-covering veil to testify against the men she is accusing of sexual assault, an Ontario judge ruled Wednesday.

The woman’s niqab “masks her demeanour and blocks both effective cross-examination by counsel for the accused and assessment of her credibility by the trier of fact,” Ontario Court Judge Norris Weisman ruled.

The 37-year-old woman, known only as N.S., alleges two men sexually assaulted her over five years, starting when she was six years old.

The question of whether she should be allowed to wear her niqab while testifying in the case went all the way up to the Supreme Court of Canada, which issued a split decision that affirmed the importance of both the right to a fair trial and religious freedom.

The case of N.S. is now back in provincial court for the preliminary inquiry, five years after the challenge began. But N.S. isn’t done fighting to keep her niqab on, her lawyer said. They will ask the Ontario Superior Court to review the decision.

“The concern is the judge refused to consider a substantial body of scientific research which demonstrates that we as humans are actually quite faulty at detecting honesty by reading people’s faces,” David Butt said.

The long slog through the courts has already taken a “tremendous toll” on N.S., Butt said, all because she has sincerely held religious beliefs.

“Having said that, she is a very strong woman who understands that the first case through is in many respects the most important one,” he said.

“For the sake of other women who might find themselves in a similar position in the future, she’s somehow found the strength, and I admire her for it, she’s somehow found the strength to go the extra mile.”

Weisman used the test set out by the high court to reach his ruling.

Judges must ask themselves: Would requiring the witness to remove the niqab while testifying interfere with her religious freedom? Would permitting the witness to wear the niqab while testifying create a serious risk to trial fairness? Is there a way to accommodate both rights and avoid the conflict between them?

Weisman found that while the woman’s religious beliefs require her to cover her face in the presence of men who aren’t related to her, it would create a “real and substantial” risk to the accused men’s fair trial rights.

There is no way to accommodate both rights, Weisman found.

“The niqab is either worn or removed for the preliminary inquiry,” he wrote. “There is no middle ground.”

Weisman noted that the men face very lengthy prison sentences if convicted and pointed to a quote from the Supreme Court decision in reaching his conclusion.

“Where the liberty of the accused is at stake, the witness’s evidence is central to the case and her credibility vital, the possibility of a wrongful conviction must weigh heavily in the balance, favouring the removal of the niqab.”


(fully supportive of fair trials & not wrongly convicting people, but the fact that the accused rights are apparently taking precedence over hers is full on rape culture).

02:00 pm, by padaviya14 notes

Law & Order Quotes Actual Rape Survivors, Calls Itself “Fiction” » Sociological Images

This is a new one.

Some of you may know that there is a wave of colleges and universities filing complaints with the Office for Civil Rights, claiming that their institutions are failing to protect women from sexual assault. This (first) wave includes Amherst, Yale, the University of North Carolina, Swarthmore, and Occidental among others.

Well, last night many of the details of the stories of the students whose cases have been mishandled — right down to exact quotes from their lives — found themselves in an episode of Law&Order SVU.  They didn’t ask for permission, offer a “consulting” fee, or even warn them that it was coming.

This just leaves a this-is-so-wrong-I-don’t-even-know icky feeling in the pit of my gut.   I know that Law & Order has been ripping stories from the headlines for three decades, but it stuns me that it can claim to be fiction and not compensate the real women who’s lives are clearly and unequivocally depicted in this show.

Let me put this in stark terms: Law & Order is brazenly capitalizing on the pain and trauma of young women and not only failing to compensate them for stealing their stories, but actually denying that they exist by claiming that the “story is fictional and does not depict any actual person or event.”  Stunning.

Alexandra Brodsky, a survivor who filed the complaints against Yale, told Jezebel:

The SVU episode strikes me as an extreme example of the risk of going public as a survivor: your story is no longer your own.

I’ve not seen a more obvious example of this fact.

The teaser for the episode, plus a list of 15 ways the episode copied real life, collected by Katie J.M. Baker at Jezebel, is after the jump.

Here’s the entire list:

SVU: Lindsay is gang-raped by three frat guys who later claim she’s crying rape because she’s embarrassed about her slutty behavior.

Real Life: Four University of Montana football players allegedly gang-raped a drunk female student; charges were dropped because it was unclear whether she was “just embarrassed” about what happened.

SVU: Lindsay Snapchats her rapist the next day, leading students and administrative officials to doubt that she was actually raped.

Real Life: Woman allegedly raped by Mizzou basketball player Michael Dixon Jr. texts him the next day, leading students, officials and cops to doubt that she was actually raped.

SVU: ”I’m sorry that girl had a bad night, but why would Travis need to rape somebody?” a frat bro muses.

Real Life: Students at campuses all over the country don’t believe that Big Men on Campus can be rapists.

SVU: Students call Tau Omega the “Rape Factory.”

Real Life: A former Wesleyan student is suing the university for failing to “to supervise, discipline, warn or take other corrective action” against a frat which she says had a “reputation in the Wesleyan community as the ‘Rape Factory.’”

SVU: Renee is pressured to leave school and commit herself to a mental institution after she attempts to self-harm after the school ignores her rape report. Her rapist is set to graduate with honors.

Real Life: Former student Angie Epifano says Amherst abruptly decided to admit her into a psychiatric ward after she made suicidal comments spurred by the despair she felt when her allegations were repeatedly ignored. Her rapist graduated with honors.

SVU: Renee is penalized by her school’s Honor Court for “intimidating her rapist” by speaking out.

Real Life: UNC sophomore Landen Gambill says she was punished by the Office of Student Conduct for “intimidating” her rapist by speaking to the press about her sexual assault.

SVU: Renee is told that sex “is like a football game” by a school official.

Real Life: Former UNC student Annie Clark was told that rape “is like a football game” by an administrator.

SVU: The university’s mental health counselor says she was met with resistance when she tried to support rape survivors’ reports.

Real Life: UNC allegedly pressured former dean of students Melinda Manning to underreport sexual assault cases; Swarthmore and Occidental were recently accused of mishandling assaults.

SVU: Dean Reyerson says she couldn’t stop Tau Omega alumni from selling “We don’t take ‘no’ for an answer” rush t-shirts.

Real Life: Amherst’s administration came under fire for holding an ineffective closed-door discussion related to a similar frat t-shirt.

SVU: Dean Reyerson says students have the right to assemble, even if they want to chant, “No means yes, yes means anal.”

Real Life: Yale frat boys once gleefully ran around campus chanting exactly that.

SVU: Dean Reyerson says she can’t stop students from posting photos and rumors about rape survivors on an anonymous website because of “free speech.”

Real Life: Oberlin’s administration cites the First Amendment and does next to nothing about undergrads who are seriously harassed via its student-run anonymous message board.

SVU: Lindsaykills herself.

Real Life: Elizabeth “Lizzy” Seeberg committed suicide nine days after accusing a Notre Dame football player of sexually assaulting her in a dorm room; Notre Dame investigators failed to interview the student she accused until 15 days after Seeberg reported the attack and five days after she killed herself.

SVU: Frat boys are caught on video joking that they “raped [Lindsay] dead. (Also that they “raped her Gangnam Style,” which is one we haven’t heard before!)

Real Life: Anonymous leaked a video of former Steubenville High School baseball player Michael Nodianos cracking himself up as he calls a rape victim “deader than” JFK, OJ’s wife, Caylee Anthony, and Trayvon Martin, amongst others.

SVU: At the end of the episode, students hold up signs protesting rape culture using real quotes said to them by members of the community following their assaults.

Real Life: Amherst students put together a collection of photos of men and women who were sexually assaulted on campus, holding signs with words said to them by members of the community following their assaults.

SVU: “I was thinking about maybe starting a kind of support group on campus, so survivors know they’re not alone,” Renee says.

Real Life: A group of rape survivors includingDana Bolger (Amherst College ‘14), Alexandra Brodsky (Yale College ‘12, Yale Law School ‘16), Annie Clark (University of North Carolina — Chapel Hill ‘11), and Andrea Pino (UNC — CH ‘14), some of whom have filed complaint with the federal government against their universities, joined together to help students at colleges across the country stand up to administrations; they recently launched “Know Your IX,” a campaign that aims to educate every college student in the U.S. about his or her rights under Title IX by the start of the Fall 2013 academic term.

05:00 pm, by padaviya4 notes

Who failed Rehtaeh Parsons?

Rehtaeh Parsons had a goofy sense of humour and loved playing with her little sisters. She wore glasses, had long, dark hair and was a straight-A student whose favourite subject was science.

On Sunday night, the 17-year-old’s family took her off life-support.

Three days earlier, on Thursday night, she hanged herself in the bathroom.

It was 17 months before that when “the person Rehtaeh once was all changed,” her mother wrote Monday on a Facebook memorial page.

“She went with a friend to another’s home. In that home, she was raped by four young boys,” wrote Leah Parsons.

“One of those boys took a photo of her being raped and decided it would be fun to distribute the photo to everyone in Rehtaeh’s school and community, where it quickly went viral.”

Rehtaeh, a 15-year-old Cole Harbour District High School student at the time, was shunned, wrote her mother.

“They all go to the same school. She couldn’t go back to the school,” Parsons said Monday in an interview.

Rehtaeh spent the past year and a half trying to handle the fallout from that night, said her mother, who runs a dog rescue.

Her daughter moved from Cole Harbour to Halifax to start anew and she checked into a hospital at one point to cope with anger, depression and thoughts of suicide.

Rehtaeh ultimately made some new, supportive friends and heard from some old friends who decided to stand by her, Parsons wrote on Facebook. Rehtaeh returned to Dartmouth, where she was attending Prince Andrew High School.

However, lately the girl had struggled with mood swings, and after an outburst on Thursday, she locked herself in the bathroom, Parsons said in the interview.

“She acted on an impulse, but I truly, in my heart of heart, do not feel she meant to kill herself,” her mother wrote on Facebook.

“By the time I broke into the bathroom, it was too late.”

There are things to be learned from the girl’s death, Parsons said in the interview. That is why she is talking about what happened, and why her daughter did the same.

“Rehtaeh would want her story out there,” she said.

For one thing, social media can be toxic, said the mother. After Rehtaeh left her school, other kids were relentless.

“People texted her all the time, saying ‘Will you have sex with me?’” she remembered. “Girls texting, saying ‘You’re such a slut.’”

But then there is the question of how the adults handled the alleged sexual assault that Rehtaeh described to her mother.

The RCMP investigation took a year, said Parsons.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Scott MacRae confirmed the police are now investigating a sudden death involving a young person.

“An investigation into an earlier sexual assault was completed, and in consultation with the Crown, there was insufficient evidence to lay charges,” MacRae said.

Out of respect for the family, and because of privacy laws, he couldn’t discuss details of the investigation Monday, and the force sent its sympathy to Rehtaeh’s loved ones, he said.

Parsons said she was unhappy with what she saw of the investigation.

“They didn’t even interview the boys until much, much later. To me, I’d think you’d get the boys right away, separate them.”

When it came to the photo or photos taken that night, “nothing was done about that because they couldn’t prove who had pressed the photo button on the phone,” she said.

She was told that the distribution of the photos is “not really a criminal issue, it’s more of a community issue,” she said.

“Even though she was 15 at the time, which is child pornography.

“The whole case was full of things like that. We didn’t have a rape kit done because we didn’t even know (anything had happened) until several days later when she had a breakdown in my kitchen.

“She was trying to keep it to herself.”

Rehtaeh’s former classmates at Prince Andrew High were sent counsellors Monday to provide support, said Doug Hadley, spokesman for the Halifax regional school board.

“We’ve been working very closely with the family for several, several months to provide supports to her,” Hadley said.

“Right now, we’re very saddened by what has taken place.”

Rehtaeh always cared for the underdog and was interested in social issues, a girl who “read everything she could get her hands on,” said her mother.

On March 3, Rehtaeh posted a photo of herself on Facebook next to a quote from Martin Luther King Jr.:

“In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

08:03 pm, by padaviya20 notes

pasylree:

#safetytipsforladies: A hashtag about how tired women are of being told to do stupid, ineffective, unrealistic things to avoid being raped. 


Responses to the Steubenville Verdict Reveal Rape Culture

A selection of tweets collected by Public Shaming:

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A selection of tweets collected by Mommyish:

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A selection of tweets collected by Persephone Magazine:

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Tweets collected by The Inquisitr:10

04:36 pm, by padaviya4 notes

So you’re tired of hearing about “rape culture”?

TRIGGER WARNING:

The following includes descriptions, photos, and video that may serve as a trigger for victims of sexual violence.
Please be advised. 

Someone asked me today, “What is ‘rape culture’ anyway? I’m tired of hearing about it.”

Yeah, I hear ya. I’m tired of talking about it. But I’m going to keep talking about it because people like you keep asking that question.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and though there are dozens of witnesses, no one says, “Stop.”

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and though there are dozens of witnesses, they can’t get anyone to come forward.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and adults are informed of it, but no consequences are doled out because the boys “said nothing happened.”

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and we later find out that their coaches were “joking about it” and “took care of it.” 

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and even though there is documentation of the coaching staff sweeping it under the rug, they get to keep their jobs.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and one of the coaches involved in the cover-up threatens a reporter - saying, “You’re going to get yours. And if you don’t get yours, somebody close to you will.” – but the town is more worried about keeping their coaching talent than his integrity.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, take pictures of the process, and it becomes a source of ridicule along social networks, whitewashing the crime with hashtags.

rapeinstagram

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and then joke about it on video – saying, ““She is so raped,” “They raped her quicker than Mike Tyson!”, “They raped her more than the Duke lacrosse team!”, and she was “deader than Trayvon Martin.” – while everyone else laughs.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and the town is more concerned with preserving their football program than the fact that their children are attacking others without remorse.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and the mainstream media laments the fact that their “promising futures” have been dashed by their crimes – as though THEY are the victims.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and even though she’s been through enough, the 16 year old victim’s name is shared on national television.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, but because it happens at a party where both sexes were drinking, complete strangers on the internet argue ferociously that she is to blame for being attacked.

Click to embiggen. Warning: it will make you sick.

Click to zoom. Warning: it will make you sick.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and members of the community issue death threats against the victim.

death threats

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and it is documented across social media channels, and the media informs us that the takeaway is to be more careful about what we post to social media.

Rape culture is when a group of athletes rape a young girl, and when a cover-up is exposed by a group of hackers, we call them “terrorists” and the culpable “victims.” 

Yeah, I’m talking about Steubenville. Tired of hearing about it? Ok, let’s talk about something else.

Rape culture is when the Steubenville is far from the first instance of athletic clubs covering up sexual violence allegations. See: Sandusky, Michigan State 2010, Arizona State 2008, University of Colarado 2006, University of Iowa 2008, Lincoln High School 2012, University of Montana 2012, Marquette 2011, plus this research (and there’s more to find if you dig)

Rape culture is when universities across the country do not report rape to the police, but handle the matter via “honor boards” - ultimately shielding perpetrators from criminal consequences.

Rape culture is when universities threaten to expel a student for speaking out about her rape (without ever identifying her attacker) because it’s harassment to talk about her suffering.

Rape culture is when a comedian has a long history of making jokes about rape and sexual assault, is defended from backlash by the comic community, and doesn’t lose his fan base.

Rape culture is when a journalist says this ….

I think that the entire conversation is wrong. I don’t want anybody to be telling women anything. I don’t want men to be telling me what to wear and how to act, not to drink. And I don’t, honestly, want you to tell me that I needed a gun in order to prevent my rape. In my case, don’t tell me if I’d only had a gun, I wouldn’t have been raped. Don’t put it on me to prevent the rape.

… and the public responds with this….

rape

Rape culture is when politicians don’t understand how requiring a transvaginal ultrasound of a rape victim seeking an abortion is like raping her all over again.

Rape culture is when political candidates say that God sometimes intends rape, and that some girls just “rape easy,” and that “legitimate rape” does not result in pregnancy… and do not lose the backing of their party or party leaders.

Rape culture is when a speaker at a political convention makes a rape joke about a sexual violence victim advocate, and he brings the house down with laughter.

Rape culture is when we spend all our time telling women to avoid being raped by modifying their behavior, inferring blame back onto the victim.

Rape culture is when stunning displays of privilege and willful ignorance combine to create this:

voice for MEN

and this:

no rape culture

Rape culture is when a woman speaks out about rape culture, and gets subjected to this.

Rape culture is when we see ads like these on a far too frequent basis:

belvedere ad rape jumpgrossfriendzonedrinkdominos

Rape culture is when you’re tired of hearing about “rape culture” because it makes you uncomfortable, as your attempt to silence discourse on the subject means we never raise enough awareness to combat it – and that’s part of why it sticks around.

So yeah, I’m sorry you’re tired of hearing about it. But I wouldn’t expect us to shut up anytime soon. Nor should we.

UPDATE: I will no longer be publishing comments which caveat the discussion of rape culture with false rape accusation concerns. There is a reason for this, which you can read here.

02:12 pm, by padaviya1,600 notes


punkrockmermaid:

Steubenville football players drug, kidnap, and gang rape unconscious girl, call themselves “Rape Crew”, tweet about it, take pictures of it, and video tape it. They are essentially sentenced to 1-2 years. The media bends over backwards to portray them sympathetically.

Marissa Alexander fires a warning gunshot to defend herself against abusive husband. No one is hurt. She is sentenced to 20 years

“Misogyny doesn’t exist anymore”

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The sympathy being shown to the young men convicted of rape in Steubenville is part of the culture that allowed the rape to happen

- Hari Kondabolu

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The sympathy being shown to the young men convicted of rape in Steubenville is part of the culture that allowed the rape to happen

- Hari Kondabolu

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sarafeminist:

noonelikesanunhappycamper:

This is really terrible. Just goes to show that sexism is very much alive and that rape is just…not taken as a serious offense. Really outrageous.
What can we do to help?

US news is such a fucking misogynist joke
WHY AREN’T WE MAKING ANY PROGRESS?

sarafeminist:

noonelikesanunhappycamper:

This is really terrible. Just goes to show that sexism is very much alive and that rape is just…not taken as a serious offense. Really outrageous.

What can we do to help?

US news is such a fucking misogynist joke

WHY AREN’T WE MAKING ANY PROGRESS?


[TW: RAPE]

American media on the India gang rape:Omg those barbarians are out of control! Look at us, we're so ahead of the times!
American media on the Steubenville rape:Omg look at the lives we're ruining by convicting these 16 year old rapists!

The Steubenville Verdict Is in: Guilty

On the fifth and final day of a long and emotional rape trial recounting a drunken and violent evening, Judge Thomas Lipps delivered a guilty verdict Sunday morning in the Steubenville rape trial, calling the situation “profane” and “ugly” as the boys cried aloud and were handed the maximum sentencing.

Trent Mays and Ma’lik Richmond — stars on the Steubenville High football team and 17 and 16 years old, respectively — were found “delinquent,” which Lipps informed the boys in front of him was “similar to a finding of guilty in an adult court.” Richmond was sentenced to a minimum of one year in a juvenile rehabilitation facility and a maximum of until he turns 21 on a juvenile charge of rape; Mays, who was also found delinquent on a charge of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material, was sentenced to a minimum of two years and a “consecutive” sentence that could last until he turns 24. As the lead prosecutor said there was “no remorse” for the victim from the convicted, Mays cried out in the Ohio courtroom and frequently returned to his handkerchief as his attorneys consoled him. Lipps said the boys “might be dealing with emotions” since the consequences “were now dawning on them.”

The verdict followed two and half hours of testimony from the 16-year-old Jane Doe victim Saturday, in which she recounted an evening she barely remembered. The big news from Saturday’s testimony were text messages exchanged between the victim and the suspects. In one message, one of the defendants (thought to be Mays) identified a substance on the victim in one of the many pictures that circulated on social media after the drunken night in question as his sperm. The defense’s strategy centered around levels of drunkenness to prove consent. Lipps a 37-year veteran of Ohio juvenile court, was brought out of retirement after a judge connected with the Steubenville High football team recused himself — indeed, this was a trial with as many characters as there were emotional and dramatic twists.

Update, 10:30 a.m. Eastern: Mays and Richmond both personally apologized to the victim. “I would truly like to apologize to [girl’s name], her family, and the community,” Mays said. “No pictures should have been sent around, let alone taken.” Richmond stood up and walked across the courtroom to where the victim was sitting. “I would like to apologize to you [girl’s name]. I had no intention to do anything like that,” he said, before breaking down crying. He sniffled out something else, but he was too overcome with emotion to have been audibly understood on the live video feed broadcast across the country. 

Update, 10:47 a.m.: The judge started off his sentencing by explaining some things about juvenile court. “Because juvenile court dispositions are different than adult citizens, when a judge enters a disposition,” he said, ”the judge must weigh three things: the effects on society, accountability for one’s actions, and the rehabilitation of youth.” Lipps continued: “I’m aware that this is the first time that this is the first time they have been in trouble with the law, but these are serious charges.” Lipps explained that ”when we started out both of these defendants could have been charged in adult court,” where they would have spent “many years in prison.” Rape is a Category One felony in adult court, but only a Category Two offense in juvenile parlance. (The second charge against Mays is also a Category Two charge in juvenile court.) 

And then came the sentencing: “In this case, regarding the charges of rape, both defendants Ma’lik Richmond and Trent Mays are committed to the department of youth services for a minimum of one year, a maximum of until you’re 21.” Mays’ actions “were more egregious than Malik Richmond,” Lipps said. Besides the rape charge, Mays was found guilty of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material. “I think it is appropriate to make the commitment in Trent Mays’ term consecutive,” Lipps decided.

Richmond was sentenced to a minimum of one year in the juvenile detention center for the rape charge. Mays was sentenced to a minimum two years in a juvenile detention center for the rape charge. Both boys were also forbidden from having contact with the victim until they are at least 21 years old. Lipps recommended the Lighthouse Youth Center at Paint Creek as a facility, and further decisions on the exact lengths of their stays in juvenile prison will be up to the juvenile system. But Mays is looking at around eight years in that system, and Lipps said, pending their behavior and future decisions, that both could be on a juvenile sexual offenders list “for the rest of their lives.”

Outside the courtroom, protestors from Occupy Steubenville rejoiced. Online, there were tears of joy, from sexual-assault victims’ rights groups, for “Justice for Jane Doe.” Meanwhile, more photos from the party house allegedly surfaced, and there remained questions about at least one of the other boys at the party, Evan Westlake, who was not apparently one of the two boys to receive a sudden immunity deal that may have turned the case for the prosecution, but whose actions were called into question by the defense team in closing arguments on Saturday.

Fucking fauxpologies. You had no “intention” of doing this? You mean you had no intention of facing consequences. You’re sorry pictures were taken? How about you’re fucking sorry for raping a girl in the first place, douche?

11:34 am, by padaviya3 notes

What people don’t understand is when we say “Teach men not to rape,” we’re not talking about telling them not to jump out of the bushes in a ski mask and grab the nearest female. We’re talking about the way we teach boys that masculinity is measured by power over others, and that they aren’t men unless they “get some.” We’re talking about teaching men (and women) that it’s not okay to laugh at jokes about rape and abuse. We’re talking about telling men that a lack of “No” doesn’t mean “Yes,” that if a woman is too drunk to consent they shouldn’t touch her, that dating someone - or even being married to someone - does not mean automatic consent. We’re talking about teaching boys to pay attention to the girl they’re with, and if she looks uncomfortable to stop and ask if she’s okay, because sometimes girls don’t know how to say stop in a situation like that. We’re talking about how women have the right to change their mind. Even if she’s been saying yes all night, if she says no, that’s it. It’s over. That’s what we mean when we say “Teach men not to rape.
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Une haine incommensurable...: slipstreamborne: “I really don’t think Marvel and DC are helping...

slipstreamborne:

“I really don’t think Marvel and DC are helping things by having gritty, R-rated versions of their superheroes in their main comics – what they sell as the “real” versions – while simultaneously selling those exact same characters in kids’ comics and plastering them all over lunchboxes and animated cartoons… Casual readership by kids, or by parents for their kids, is effectively impossible the way things are currently structured. And I think the waters are muddied too far now to claw that ground back. I think it’s insane that DC have spent 70 years making Superman as big as Mickey Mouse, and branding him to be understood by parents as being pretty much as kid-friendly as Mickey Mouse, only to piss that brand away in a decade. Nothing wrong with doing mature content in comics – in fact, it should be encouraged as often as possible – but doing it with characters who are on your kids’ lunchboxes is kind of moronic. Take a lesson from Watchmen and come up with new characters for that stuff. And then go back to Superman and Batman and put the same kind of love and effort and craft and intelligence you’ve been putting into all those rape scenes and body mutilations into something kids can read, and adults can also be proud to read because of all the love and effort and craft and intelligence you’ve put into it, and make those the “real” versions.”

Roger Langridge (via deantrippe)

This is a good quote. 

And also, what I think is important to note is that getting rid of the “gritty” R-rated rape/dismemberment/ugliness doesn’t have anything to do with giving these characters emotional and psychological depth or exploring complex, sophisticated themes. You can do that without the rape and the gore just fine. It might be more difficult and take more talent, but it’s definitely not impossible. (Avatar: The Last Airbender is a great and obvious example.)

Reblogging for the commentary. I recently read the graphic novel Saga, & was disappointed & annoyed with its attempts to be “deep” by using gore, rape, & childbirth as gimmicks. But, whenever I try to make a comment like that on any form of pop culture, I get called a puritan or a prude.


Drunk Off Your Noble Deeds: nowaysrsly: As Steubenville Rape Trial Opens, Victim-Blaming Begins In...

nowaysrsly:

As Steubenville Rape Trial Opens, Victim-Blaming Begins In Court of Law and Public Opinion (via RHReality Check)

padaviya:

When allegations first surfaced that several of Stuebenville High School football players had been involved in the rape of a young woman from…

We talked about this in school today, and one boy had the nerve to say “Wow, that girl’s definitely ruined her reputation. It’s a shame that those guys won’t be able to play football anymore.” 

Never in my life have I wanted to punch someone so much.

sigh. How is it 2013 & people are saying this shit?